ID? Dendrocalamus giganteus - Brazil

[Agrobambu]

Here you can see at the first plant on the right corner down 2 pieces on the ground, well, those are sons of the plant in the above post. They are totally green and are very hard. This picture was shot in feb/04. Now we have 2 news sprouts that are more than 3 meters height.


This new pics of this same line of bamboos were taken during 2004 and jan/05.

http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/567/thumbs/Bamboo-Line-D-1.jpg See photo (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2207) http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/567/thumbs/Alinhamento-igual-ao-de-fev.jpg See photo (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2206) http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/567/thumbs/Dgig-first-sprout-2-_.jpg See photo (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2205)

This line (this pic was taken near 1,5 years ago) is my Dendrocalamus area.
When I receive this plants, in a little bag 5"x5"x8", I put them here 3 m distanced. (Look the last set of pics:Dendrocalamus giganteus ID post- they are very high now)- Together with this D.Giganteus, comes 3 different ones that I do not can identify yet -
I have two series of bamboos coming from different places very similar that I cannot ID.
The line it is D. Giganteus. The sprout are from the not ID bamboo that is son of ones from the first thread #1 :confused:
Ene

[Agrobambu]

The nearly 15 plants on line I had planted less than year and all of them are with sprouts (2 each).
http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/567/thumbs/Im000437-16k.jpg See photo (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2181) http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/567/thumbs/Im000439.jpg See photo (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2182)
They are from São Paulo/ from University of Bauru buyed very litlle near ten inches height into a plastic bag. On the pack come togheter a lable of Dendrocalamus giganteus, but I' m not sure of this.
Here's a close shot of this line of D.giganteus (?)
Can you can help me to make a better identification?

Ene

[bamboomonk]

Ene; I think you bought your bamboo from Marcos Pereira, a professor at the university of Bauru.

I bought several clumps from him of D. giganteus, and, a little over a year later, some culms are about 10 times the diameter of the original ones already

If indeed you bought your bamboo from him, rest assured that you've got the correct species.

Alfredo.

[Agrobambu]

Alfredo,
Tanks, I have doubts yet about some of clumps (labels are unclear). The pic of last message it is a old one, from Jan/2004, now the plants are with 1 year age and have a new aspect. I will try to put new pics together. Can you send me a picture of yours bamboos to compare?
Tanks,
Ene
http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/567/thumbs/Im000946.jpg See photo (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2183) http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/567/thumbs/Im000944.jpg See photo (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2184)

[Mark Meckes]

Hi Ene, Alfredo,
Can you confirm that these pics are Dendrocalamus giganteus?
Mark

[Agrobambu]

Hi Mark,
My D.giganteus are babies, they have only 2 years old. They are planted over july/03 and only now are shooting at the actual size. The first generation, last year, appear only a lot of thin culms less than 1"diameter around the mother(pic # 1). Last month they begin apear big, near 2" at the basis(you can see at pic #2). In only two weeks they come larger and higher (pics #3,#4,5#). I have 10 of them on a line separated each 3 meters.
The pics that you send us are adult D.giganteus with, probably, more than 10 years(?). I will arrive there! :)
Last weekend I shoot pics of the stage they are. I can send many pics ( I have near 50 ) of all stage since they are planted. Tell me if you really want this charge. :)
http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/567/thumbs/D_gig1-2year-sprouts1032.jpg See photo (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2185) http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/567/thumbs/D_gig1-Sprout-1-gen.jpg See photo (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2186) http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/567/thumbs/D_gig-2-Sprout-1-gen.jpg See photo (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2187)

Bye,
Ene

[Agrobambu]

The others pics from Dendrocalamus giganteus series.
Ene
With these pics you can choose a set to your D.giganteus section. Please, see my old post about D.giganteus, you can see a view, and compare with the post #1.

http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/567/thumbs/Dgig567culms1gen3wks.jpg See photo (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2188) http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/567/thumbs/Dgig-_5_6_7-first-culms1036.jpg See photo (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2189) http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/567/thumbs/Dgig6-3wksmai05.jpg See photo (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2190)

http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/567/thumbs/Dgig7-2ndgen.jpg See photo (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2191) http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/567/thumbs/Dgig-line-mai-05_1067.jpg See photo (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2192) http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/567/thumbs/Dgig7-3wksmai-05.jpg See photo (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2193)

[Agrobambu]

The first sprout of one(#6) of my 14 D.giganteus. All them have sprouts like this, but this one is the best. The first generations are the thin little poles beside the big one.
http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/524/thumbs/Dendrocalamus_giganteus_6_2_generation_1109.jpg See photo (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=1173)

This pic is a Dendrocalamus giganteus that came from UNESP-Bauru/SP-Brazil.
I was visiting prof. Marco Pereira last jun/05 talking about my D.giganteus which are begining to sprout their second generation culms now.
It is a fantastic variation of diameter looking the first poles and the last one.

Ene

[Mark Meckes]

Hi Ene,
Very impressive! What fertilizer do you use? :)

Do you get ample rainfall during this period of new shoot emergence?

~ Mark

[Mark Meckes]

Hi Ene,
Your bamboo's looking great, (see pics) and it's reaching to new heights this year.

http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/567/thumbs/D_giganteus_2-_New_sheaths_1113.jpg (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2936&cat=567) http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/567/thumbs/D_giganteus_2-_New_sheaths_1112.jpg (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2934&cat=567) http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/567/thumbs/My_first_Big_son-D_giganteus_4_1194.JPG (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2932&cat=567) http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/567/thumbs/My_first_Big_son-_D_giganteus_4_1192.jpg (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2930&cat=567)


.. The brown velvety coating on the new culms look Dendrocalamus asper culms ...

What's your thoughts?

See
Dendrocalamus asper - Fairchild Tropical Gardens, Miami FL USA
http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/644/thumbs/DasperFTG031020-221.jpg (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2689)

Dendrocalamus giganteus - Fairchild Tropical Gardens, Miami FL USA
http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/524/thumbs/DgigFTG031020b-246.jpg (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2697)

See also the thread - Is this Dendrocalamus giganteus? - Brazil (http://www.bamboocraft.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1501)

... about this picture ...
http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/524/thumbs/24D_giganteus6Brotos.JPG (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=493)

[Agrobambu]

Hi Mark
I understand your doubt. Now the bamboos are bigger and we can configure better the characteristcs of each one. I have 10 of this in a area and more 5 newest in other area. I said to you, some time ago, that I have doubts too about ID of some clumps, because the ID labels are damaged when I bought them. Its possible that this #4 be a D.asper but, I go to wait the others, that I am sure be D.giganteus to grow up a little more, to get pics to compare them.
I'm thinking about to send this link to Marco Pereira(Unesp-Bauru SP) to help us with this identification.
This pic I got when I visit him jun/05. From this place are my bamboos.
Ene
PS.: I hope be D.asper because I didn't have no one. Now.......:)

[Mark Meckes]

Hi Ene, your attached pic is clearer then this one by BambuBrasil (Joao) ...
http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/524/thumbs/24D_giganteusBosque1.JPG (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=494)
... and I can see the fuzzy brown velvety coating on the base of the new culms in your pic.

It's important that we confirm the ID of this species as these should be moved out of the D.giganteus species category until they have been confirmed.

Have you heard back from professor Marco Pereira yet?

In the meantime your D giganteus album has been renamed to My Bamboo Collection and moved to your personal gallery till we sort out their ID.

It's been a joy to watch your bamboo grow as this site has grown!

In the next couple of weeks we will be adding some new features to the galleries that will better enable you to have albums especially for your bamboo collection plus show them in the species category.

Mark

[Agrobambu]

Mark,
I'm waiting Marco Pereira opinion. I sent him this link. I'm waiting a few days to shot new pics from the others culms. All of them have new shoots.
Ene

[Mark Meckes]

Hi Ene did you here from Marco on opinion of species yet?
I would like to make sure we have species in correct gallery.

Mark

[Agrobambu]

Hi Mark

I received a mail from Marco about ID of Dendrocalamus. He said me that he didn't have any D.asper between yours giganteus because D.Asper do not run well in that region. All D.asper that he had tried to plant do not develop well. He have only D.giganteus. Then, it is not possilble to have D.asper betweeen the 10 bamboos planted in my area.
I have now more 10 new D.giganteus and they have the same aspects to
the others old ones.
All news sprouts have the same brown color near the basis. After this color change to green. I will send next days a new pic of this same culm to compare.
If you prefer to wait more time to have others opinions will be better. I have a friend who have D.giganteus, in place near from my house and I planning to visit him. After this visit I will send a set of new pics to compare.
Bye,
Ene

[Mark Meckes]

Hi Ene, good to hear from you again!
Look forward to seeing these pics.
Yes, from what I read D. giganteus is cold hardier ...

D. asper: Minimum temperature 32 F / 0 C

D. giganteus: Min temp 25 F / -4 C

Dendrocalamus giganteus - Fairchild Tropical Gardens, Miami FL USA
http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/data/524/medium/DgigFTG031020b-245.jpg (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showphoto.php?photo=2698&size=big&cat=524)

I have a 3-4 yr potted seedling of D. asper with small 2cm dia culms.
It doesn't like the winter here in central Texas, even warm ones that we have had.
See Dendrocalamus asper (http://www.bamboocraft.net/bamboo/showgallery.php?cat=644) at Gallery BambooFlora

Mark

[Agrobambu]

Hi Mark,
Thanks! Good pics of D.asper. Now I'm sure about my D.giganteus . This pics of D.asper are completely different from mines of D.giganteus(see old post). Here the temperatures are from 39ºC (summer) to -5ºC (winter) probably, if they are D.asper, they wouldn't resist 4 winters.
Ene